DUST Search - Assault/logistics harmonising

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Logis need to be heavy frames, more like the Commando in slot layout and speed.

The problem with slayer-logis stems from the logistics suit's slots and the nature of the medium frame itself:

-Logies need high HP to outlast fire from the enemy. Med suits have low native hp, so to rectify this, logis are given high slot counts. However, this leads to abuses by using non-hp related mods like damage mods and biotics as well as hp mods.

-Despite logis having a slightly larger hit-box and being slightly slower than assaults, it's not a significant difference, allowing logis to function on par with assaults while also having the extra slots, equipment, and pg/cpu.

Making logi suits similar to the commando will solve this:

-Heavy frames have high native ehp, meaning it is feasible to reduce the slot layout of logis significantly while still providing sufficient ehp.

-Being a heavy/commando frame will reduce the agility and speed of the logi, reducing it's combat effectiveness. However, I have noticed commando's have little trouble being able to keep up with a group, so being able to move with the team and support shouldn't be much more difficult, and it would also force players not to overextend their aggressive pushes or else lose their logistics.

I also think commandos should be medium frame with a hyper-offensivness and low defenses whereas the assault is more balanced and that all weapons need a nerf with combat suits (scout, assault, heavy) getting a native bonus (like Eve ships), but that's another thread.

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501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 240	Posted - 2014.07.08 22:23:00 - [1] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Logis need to be heavy frames, more like the Commando in slot layout and speed. The problem with slayer-logis stems from the logistics suit's slots and the nature of the medium frame itself: -Logies need high HP to outlast fire from the enemy. Med suits have low native hp, so to rectify this, logis are given high slot counts. However, this leads to abuses by using non-hp related mods like damage mods and biotics as well as hp mods. -Despite logis having a slightly larger hit-box and being slightly slower than assaults, it's not a significant difference, allowing logis to function on par with assaults while also having the extra slots, equipment, and pg/cpu. Making logi suits similar to the commando will solve this: -Heavy frames have high native ehp, meaning it is feasible to reduce the slot layout of logis significantly while still providing sufficient ehp. -Being a heavy/commando frame will reduce the agility and speed of the logi, reducing it's combat effectiveness. However, I have noticed commando's have little trouble being able to keep up with a group, so being able to move with the team and support shouldn't be much more difficult, and it would also force players not to overextend their aggressive pushes or else lose their logistics. I also think commandos should be medium frame with a hyper-offensivness and low defenses whereas the assault is more balanced and that all weapons need a nerf with combat suits (scout, assault, heavy) getting a native bonus (like Eve ships), but that's another thread. Logis like myself stack HP because people gun for me. It's not my fault I simply can shoot them back better. I stack armor and Shields because that Core you chuck at my heavy wont kill him, but it could kill me if I have low HP. The problem is I can scan better if I'm a Gal Logi, Rep better, give better Nanohives, Lay better uplinks. There is no equipment the Assault can use that a logi can't use better. If I tank out my Minmatar, I have wicked Shields...But I don't have recharge time fast enough and my shield delay is crippling.I supplement that by making my Assault a Regen Machine...only my Logi has more slots so I could do that just as well. You need to have it wear Assaults can outlast the dangers of their job (Taking high enemy fire and being able to stay in the fight till Logistics come with Heavies. Commandos can't be high damage, low Hp because how will they do their damage exactly? Assault- Very High Regen, not as much as the Scout, faster than the Scout since a Scout that can tank and run faster than an Assault will rarely ever flank, they'll engage directly. That's called an Assault, only you're using a Scout Suit for that... Logi-Support. Stays with Heavies for protection, can run with Assaults if the squad has no heavies. Logi bonuses are for helping Assaults keep slaying as well as Heavies and Commandos. Rep tool, keeps me out of harms way, Scanner shows the Assaults where to focus fire, Nanohives allow you to spray and keep slaying, Uplinks for if you die, don't need to run all the way back. Commando. Damage Machine, Slower than an Assault and Scout, and a Logi. Faster than Heavies. Damage machine. Mops the floor with all but Sentinels (Which should be able to super-stack but be very slow). Heavies (Non-sentinels)- They lay the fire down and set up that frontline. Slow, but faster than Sentinels. Very high Hp, but able to be killed more easily by same weapons as Assaults and etc. Sentinels- Take damage, throw it back. Very hard to kill due to resistances. Slowest suit due to HP. Scouts- Anti Sentinel Slayer. Can flank, getting around the Front line. Sentinels should not be able to turn very quickly, that's why they get resistance. Heavies (Basic Frames) can, they are killed quickly without resistance, relying on HP. Still turn slowly, just not as slow as Sentinels. The other Medium Frames are to be interspersed in. THIS Is how Dust should be. Checks and Balances... Debate From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men.- 501st Headstrong.